If the UK followed Germany and extended the furlough

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If the UK followed Germany and extended the furlough

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Would there still be so many people losing their jobs?
Or has retail just reached it's natural end?

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Germany is progressive. The Untied Kingdom is not. UBI and business support was a solution to much of what has happened in the UK. How can we afford it? How can we afford not have it. People need to eat and pay their bills.

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I will be praising the Lord if France follows suit as it wont be until 2022 before things pick up here, there will be a lot of pressure on Macron to follow suit especially as Airbus has large operations in both countries.

Tonight they opened up the fond de solidarité claims for July so I am now reasonably secure that my support will indeed continue to the end of the year as the chômage partiel does for the same secteur.

Where will any country get the money from? I keep on hearing of them borrowing but from whom?

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It really is difficult to make comparison between Germany and the UK. Germany has far more people involved in making things compared with the UK - Pharmaceuticals, chemicals, engineering items, cars and so on. The proportion of the population involved in retail is therefore significantly less.

I am now 7 years out of the loop but 7 years ago Germans would embrace the web but at the same time support their local shop. They would buy their paperbacks through amazon.de but buy their hardbacks at the local book shop. Conversely they would support the local DIY shed but perhaps buy a specialist piece of equipment on the web.

Supermarkets: they would happily buy the daily essentials at Lidl or Aldi and then go to a supermarket to fill the gaps. And unlike Brits of a few years ago at least, would not have any qualms about it and would certainly not try to hide the fact that they shopped at a low cost supermarket. I addition they would happily support the local shops again - the baker certainly, the butcher (often quite expensive) perhaps a little less so.

So where does this lead? I think the Germans believe that given time people around the world will want "things" again, so the production industry will recover. Hence we can continue to support since we have an educated and trained workforce just waiting for the work.

The UK, heavily wedded to service industries such as retail, sees the writing on the wall and that some enterprises cannot survive the move to click and buy.

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Ally wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:52 pm
Germany is progressive. The Untied Kingdom is not. UBI and business support was a solution to much of what has happened in the UK. How can we afford it? How can we afford not have it. People need to eat and pay their bills.
Equally, look at the leaders of the two countries: one cares about the people, the other doesn't.
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Le Démerdeur wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:09 am
I will be praising the Lord if France follows suit as it wont be until 2022 before things pick up here, there will be a lot of pressure on Macron to follow suit especially as Airbus has large operations in both countries.

Tonight they opened up the fond de solidarité claims for July so I am now reasonably secure that my support will indeed continue to the end of the year as the chômage partiel does for the same secteur.

Where will any country get the money from? I keep on hearing of them borrowing but from whom?
Print it. They borrow from their central banks using your future taxes as security. It's a fake.

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I think UK retail was dying before Coronavirus - killed by a mixture of parking charges, high business rates and officious town halls - compounded by the fact their competitors in the form of out of town and Internet avoided some or all above.

The arrival of Coronavirus and the various messages from the government has just accelerated the decline and move towards online shopping.

The best thing would be a change in planning laws to allow the various closed retail units to be converted to residential to reduce the building on green fields.

Actually on the last point I think France should do the same - given the number of vacant shops in Dad's town.

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Ally wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:10 am
Print it. They borrow from their central banks using your future taxes as security. It's a fake.
It is FIAT money - and eventually limits will be reached as there never seems to be any repayments.

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niemeyjt wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:19 am
Ally wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:10 am
Print it. They borrow from their central banks using your future taxes as security. It's a fake.
It is FIAT money - and eventually limits will be reached as there never seems to be any repayments.
FIAT - found in a tree?
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niemeyjt wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:13 am
I think UK retail was dying before Coronavirus - killed by a mixture of parking charges, high business rates and officious town halls - compounded by the fact their competitors in the form of out of town and Internet avoided some or all above.

Spot on niemeyit. When Anne worked at Wetherells, Selby's very own department store, the business rates where over £1,000,000. This was many years ago. Twenty?


The best thing would be a change in planning laws to allow the various closed retail units to be converted to residential to reduce the building on green fields.

This is being done now in Selby. SANTANDER bank is now a lady's hairdressers and the upper floor has been converted to flats. Just around the corner the unused upstairs of 3 businesses are in the process of being converted also.
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