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JD, I was browsing the Ubitqui gear before the OP and since had a look at the Yagi antenna. My problem is that I know little about radio signals and all the kit on offer has vast price differences. I would really like to know exactly what parts are needed to go from my orange box router through?? What gadget via an antenna to the other end where I assume is another antenna and then what? What bit gets the signal out and sends it to my computer? None of this is clear to me yet.
My geographic situation is such that there are no neighbours in sight near or beyond the building, only adjacent to my home, so I would prefer directional. Speed is not an issue, the orange box lets in about a half a byte a year. I get just enough datarate to see a film on Netflix with it buffering maby only twice during the film. Apple TV films cannot stream and have to be downloaded overnight, so I Don't.
You mention an AP, to me that is Another Part I am missing.
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Is the power cable above ground? If so why not piggyback an ethernet cable?

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Polarengineer wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:06 am
JD, I was browsing the Ubitqui gear before the OP and since had a look at the Yagi antenna. My problem is that I know little about radio signals and all the kit on offer has vast price differences. I would really like to know exactly what parts are needed to go from my orange box router through?? What gadget via an antenna to the other end where I assume is another antenna and then what? What bit gets the signal out and sends it to my computer? None of this is clear to me yet.
My geographic situation is such that there are no neighbours in sight near or beyond the building, only adjacent to my home, so I would prefer directional. Speed is not an issue, the orange box lets in about a half a byte a year. I get just enough datarate to see a film on Netflix with it buffering maby only twice during the film. Apple TV films cannot stream and have to be downloaded overnight, so I Don't.
You mention an AP, to me that is Another Part I am missing.
OK so your ADSL must be quite slow, under 6Mbps I presume, that makes speed irrelevant somewhat, a brief explanation of setup, the two units are set up as master and slave, they both need power via a mains adaptor (lets not get into POE yet) The master needs a cat5 network connection from the orange router into it, the slave needs a cat5 network cable from it going into ideally a small 4 port switch that switch then behaves like an extension of your live box with 3 active network connections to use as you require, if you need wireless at the far end, you need what I referred to as an AP (access point)

https://www.wifi-france.com/ubiquiti/uap-ac-pro

This then behaves like your wireless Livebox for servicing clients

You may be able to plug the output of the nano station (or equivalent) straight into the AP and bypass the 4 port switch if a wired internet connection is not required at the far end, but I can't remember if that works.

The data between master and slave can be encrypted so is fully secure

I would choose 5 Ghz links as the number of available channels on 2.4 is down to 3 with decent channel spacing and interference (only channels 1,6 and 11 should be used on 2.4Ghz) and is much slower.

I hope that helps, it will take a bit of setting up, but is reliable once done.

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rabbit wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:21 am
Is the power cable above ground? If so why not piggyback an ethernet cable?
You will struggle to get 250m on a cat5 run, maximum recommended is around 100m

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JohnnyD wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:31 am
rabbit wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:21 am
Is the power cable above ground? If so why not piggyback an ethernet cable?
You will struggle to get 250m on a cat5 run, maximum recommended is around 100m

JD
Unless you run a power cable as well you could put in a couple of repeaters.

Is a fibre optic cable a possibility?

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I was following this thread in the hopes of getting wifi access into my shed/workshop that is about 12 metres from the router indoors but having seen the prices of the proposed solutions I'll be giving the idea a miss.
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Aardvark wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:52 am
I was following this thread in the hopes of getting wifi access into my shed/workshop that is about 12 metres from the router indoors but having seen the prices of the proposed solutions I'll be giving the idea a miss.
I've just taken my laptop into the garden & tried the range of my Netgear extender. It seemed to run out about 12m distance but that was after having to pass through a very thick stone/concrete wall.

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Hope you weren't injured. :o
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Aardvark wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:52 am
I was following this thread in the hopes of getting wifi access into my shed/workshop that is about 12 metres from the router indoors but having seen the prices of the proposed solutions I'll be giving the idea a miss.

Have a look at "Mesh" systems they do that very well. You can cough up for Google/Netgear etc systems or buy cheap Chinese - I went cheap Chinese and got Tenda off Amazon.

3 little cubes - roughly 80-90 Euros on offer - one uses a cable and attaches to the main router. The others simply need a power point. They create a second wi fi network - you can add more "cubes" and improve the coverage.

For a workshop you may have to play with where the cubes go - but they should work well. I have 3 in the house and its seamless coverage as I move around - I was looking at doing something in the grange - I tested by removing one of the indoor boxes and taking it 20-25 metres to the barn. I had to move one of the indoor cubes near a first floor window to get a network with the one now in the barn - but there is 1.5 metres of wall in total between the cubes.

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Re: Long distance WiFi advice

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I'll check it out. Thanks :good:
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