The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists

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Just wondered if anyone has read this and what they thought? I recently finished and am struck with how the same old underhand means and arguments to persuade the people who would benefit from Socialism, against it, are still being used effectively today. 🤷‍♀️

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Is that about John MacLean? I've heard it mentioned in connection with his name?

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Ally wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 pm
Is that about John MacLean? I've heard it mentioned in connection with his name?
No, was written in 1914 by Robert Tressell and is about the life of a group of painters and decorators in a fictional town in the early days of socialism. It’s based on Tressell’s own life as an Irish painter and signwriter.
Orwell said it was a book ‘Everyone should read’.
Well worth a read imo. 👍.

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That's certainly MacLean's era. I must investigate further.
I think he was still a teacher in 1914.

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Jackie wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:57 pm
Ally wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 pm
Is that about John MacLean? I've heard it mentioned in connection with his name?
No, was written in 1914 by Robert Tressell and is about the life of a group of painters and decorators in a fictional town in the early days of socialism. It’s based on Tressell’s own life as an Irish painter and signwriter.
Orwell said it was a book ‘Everyone should read’.
Well worth a read imo. 👍.
Available for 49p from Kindle, or free at Gutenberg: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3608
Same old nonsense.

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Ally wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:05 pm
That's certainly MacLean's era. I must investigate further.
I think he was still a teacher in 1914.
Must read up more on MacLean, reading the The Ragged Trouser etc has spurred me on into finding out more about this era and the beginnings of Socialism. 👍

Orwell’s ‘The Road To Wigan Pier’ is an eye-opener too, especially the bits about the working conditions of miners and the widespread belief of the classes above that the working classes somehow didn’t mind living in poverty as though they were a different species of human to them 😢

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I hope this is not out of place: my favourite Scottish folk singer, Dick Gaughan, singing the John MacLean March, written by another brilliant Scot, the late Hamish Henderson.
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I tried to read it my brother bought it me for Christmas but gave up quite soon, if I’d known the library would be closed for all this time I wouldn’t have been so quick to send it to charity shop as I’ve now read everything in the house including the sauce bottles.

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A bit late to this but spotted the headline. Many moons ago as a Grammar School so say marxist but in reality a socialist. I read this book and it has stayed with me for life, still on the bookshelf. Nothing has changed, nothing is likely to change, whilst the rich keep a tight reign on their money and the press barons and social media rule the World so to speak.

About 50 years ago for one or two Easters we used to go down to Hastings for the Robert (Noonan) Tressell kind of meet up and a trip to the museum but in reality in the old town was a wonderful old pub, think it was the Anchor, or something similar where the weekend was spent drinking and talking of footbal and woman, probably a lot more as well but less important.

In 1980 an old friend died, several of us put in sufficient funds to see him have a decent burial, all his life that book was his guide in life. Part of the funds provided for The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist to be made up in flowers and placed on his coffin, yes it did cost a bit but what are friends for.......RIP Jake

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Flaneur wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:50 pm
Jackie wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:57 pm
Ally wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 pm
Is that about John MacLean? I've heard it mentioned in connection with his name?
No, was written in 1914 by Robert Tressell and is about the life of a group of painters and decorators in a fictional town in the early days of socialism. It’s based on Tressell’s own life as an Irish painter and signwriter.
Orwell said it was a book ‘Everyone should read’.
Well worth a read imo. 👍.
Available for 49p from Kindle, or free at Gutenberg: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3608

Thanks for posting link Flanuer

‘ “The same is true of all the anti-socialist writers and the 'great statesmen' who make anti-socialist speeches: unless we believe that they are deliberate liars and imposters, who to serve their own interests



“labour to mislead other people, we must conclude that they do not understand Socialism. There is no other possible explanation of the extraordinary things they write and say. The thing they cry out against is not Socialism but a phantom of their own imagining.”

Excerpt From
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists
Robert Tressell
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Ring any bells?

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