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Speeding in a car

Poll ended at Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:43 am

1. It should never be allowed.
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2. Why not if the autoroutes empty.
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59%
3. I have never broken the speed limit.
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4%
 
Total votes: 27

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exile wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:24 pm
aka elephant racing - on the German Autobahn. Now I believe restricted in law but previously a regular occurrence.
Yes, caused by unintelligent speed limiters, I know that they have long been banned from overtaking in some areas, are you saying that it is universal now across the Autobahn system?

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No longer fully up to date on German regs but I believe an overtaking manoeuvre has to be completed in 90 seconds. This avoids the situation I often came upon on dual lane motorway of one HGV - presumably the heavier fully laden - trying to overtake on the down grade but failing and then losing ground on the up grade but not pulling in before the next down grade.

It used to be very frustrating between Koblenz and Mannheim on the A61. 130kph limit with no overtaking for the 90kph limited trucks, but no limit for the Dutch caravan and boat owners who would hog the outer lane. At the base of the Hunsruck the limit was removed but average driving speed dropped as the HGVs tried to get an advantage over the one in front.

I do take the point about the limiters on trucks, but it was only imposed because a few truckers refused to drive responsibly.

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jsks wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:11 pm
The number of times we follow an old git in his flat cap driving his 12-year-old Micra that he bought with his retirement money at 45mph for the entire journey.

Now he's only 'speeding' for maybe half a mile through the village but, in my view, is speeding every time he let's the clutch in. For drivers like that anything above 0mph is speeding.
Thats a bit harsh JSKS, how are you going to avoid the inevitable and eventually becoming someone elses old git yourself? Because I dont want you leaving us anytime soon :D

Not everyone can afford to regularly buy new vehicles in retirement and/or luxury ones, many people hope that the vehicle they buy when they retire will be their last, my fathers was the cheapest base model of the then brand new and revolutionary FWD water cooled VW Polo in 1977 which cost £1798 according to google.

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exile wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:42 pm

I do take the point about the limiters on trucks, but it was only imposed because a few truckers refused to drive responsibly.
Surprised you remember that far back. And the reasons behind it, because I am old enough to remember it being introduced and I can't remember the year. But I would love to know what drivers were doing so irresponsibly to warrant such a drastic and short sighted imposition.

But I am sure it wasn't flashing down the 3rd lane, and yes I am old enough to remember being able to do that legally, at a closing speed of 110 km/hr with other road vehicles, which is what has been suggested as being safe.

Edit - January 1st 1994.
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What they were doing was driving faster than their braking capacity with IIRC a few spectacular and fatal results.

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On the way to Dijon on Tuesday I was pleased to find that the Côte d'Or has reinstated the 90kph limit on the ordinary roads we travelled. However, the driver of a white Ford Escort that we were following as we entered the département was having none of it. He stuck doggedly to 80.

Got by him after a few mildly frustrating kms and then enjoyed my new found speedy freedom. Drove happily on for about a further 30kms until hitting a small amount of congestion and what seemed to be barely more than a few moments of delay where the road joins the Autoroutes.

:roll: Guess what?

:lol: Two cars back there was that same darned sluggish white Ford Escort hoving into view.
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Yes extra speed does not necessarily mean many saved minutes.

When I was regularly commuting between Germany and France, I remember being asked by the site manager how I compared driving in France and in Germany. I said to him that that was an interesting question; On the motorway in Germany I can drive as fast as I like and am only restricted by the speed of the car and the traffic conditions. I will happily drive at 160kph if conditions allow maybe a bit more and I usually make an average speed of around 110 - 115kph. In France I am limited to 130kph but because many of the motorways are toll, there are fewer drivers. I usually average around 110 -115kph.

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exile wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:19 pm
What they were doing was driving faster than their braking capacity with IIRC a few spectacular and fatal results.
Convenient that you can't remember, so no evidence there then of something so serious that it was thought necessary to create the 'elephant races' that you hate so much. To my mind the imposition of limiters without override has contributed much to the frustration that other road users rightly feel and encourages them to their own unsafe driving habits.

I am also interested to know the 'braking capacity' of a car at 200 km/hr, compared to an HGV at 90.

And to Tom, I wonder how long it took you to overtake that 'sluggish Escort' and whether you were able to do so in safety without exceeding the 90 limit. If you had had a limiter forcing you to 90, maybe you wouldn't have attempted it. I am not insinuating that you either broke the limit or drove unsafely, merely pointing out the daily, even hourly, frustrating experience of responsible drivers who are subjected to that all day long sometimes over 15 hours, 6 days a week.

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David
I do understand where you are coming from but a 2 ton car at 200kph does a lot less damage than a 40/44/46t truck at 90 when push comes to run into.
Add to that that very few cars are driven at 200kph but almost all trucks are driven at 90.

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I am not insinuating that you either broke the limit or drove unsafely,
:lol: Spardo... I think you have sussed the situation out both succinctly and successfully!
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