Makes You Think......

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Sorry Wilbur but you are living in cloud cuckoo land

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Cigarette anyone? 8 million deaths a year and an industry still free to peddle its wares and recruit new customers. It makes you think ok. Profit before people.

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Le Démerdeur wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 7:47 pm
One question.

If that graph Covid 19 aside is for only 7% of global deaths what are the other 93%? - Natural causes?

*Except COVID, causes of death shown account for ~7% of global deaths annually
Western world - heart attacks, cancer, diabetes, kinetic energy incidents (car crashes and the like) and natural causes
Third world - as above but probably overwritten by Cholera and other water borne diseases, then all the things we get immunised against - TB, Polio, diphtheria, etc..

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I thought that all those were included but having looked again they are not, they have been very very selective in their choice of categories to show the result that they want.

Nonetheless to have overtaken malaria CV19 is very significant.

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For me the most telling thing is not so much that it ends up ranking first in this (as you say) quite selective list of causes of death but rather the way in which it comes from nowhere to get to that point. That should be the warning. This pandemic is far from over and look how it grew.

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Le Démerdeur wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
That puts it into perspective and that is after global lockdown measures :o , it would be sobering to see the same graphic with the most conservative estimate of the Covid 19 evolution if no measures had been taken.
Possibly a crude indicator; The number of deaths in Germany below 10,000 to that of the UK at 30,000 plus. Germany being properly prepared and locking down early. The UK, sadly, we all know how well that went....

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bluebird wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 pm
Le Démerdeur wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 7:45 pm
That puts it into perspective and that is after global lockdown measures :o , it would be sobering to see the same graphic with the most conservative estimate of the Covid 19 evolution if no measures had been taken.
Possibly a crude indicator; The number of deaths in Germany below 10,000 to that of the UK at 30,000 plus. Germany being properly prepared and locking down early. The UK, sadly, we all know how well that went....
I'm suspicious of the reported death figures and am not convinced that every country is telling the truth, Russia for example has over 400K confirmed cases yet roughly half the number of deaths as Germany, perhaps the best indicator is 'excess' deaths at the end of the year.

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Russia for example? Couldn't you find an example closer to home?

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exile wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 2:45 pm
While it is a point well made, it is also important to recognise the growth of C19 deaths.
Up to 8th April there had been less than 100,000 deaths.
That had doubled by 24th April and trebled by 14th May (outside the scope of the poster). Although there are some signs of the rate of death slowing down, an extra 100.000 death per 16 odd days means that C19 will be above the others on the right hand side in rather short shrift.
False logic there, Exile; the deaths from other causes will continue to increase at the same rate (cancer, for example, 22646 per day), which is more than C19's rate of increase - your 16 odd days for cancer give over 362.000 extra deaths, three times those for C19.
"I am a man of fixed and unbending principles, the first of which is to be flexible at all times." - Everett Dirksen

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