Marche avec les loups

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Just been to see this film, and it was great. We saw his first film a year or so ago, so were keen to see what he has done since. The man is totally passionate about wolves, and really debunks some of the myths about them. And the landscape and other wildlife were brilliant.

(Slightly partisan since he ended up in our department,,,,but only a bit)

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How lovely for fluffy little wolfy and all his supporters, meanwhile, the other side of the coin is this:-

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/ ... ts-farmers
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Yes, it’s an issue and there needs to be a better solution. The standard response to kill every wolf is jist not right either. The sheep farmers are so heavily subsidised that it does seem nuts - just buy them a few hundred more sheep every year?

Or how about reducing the amount of game that the hunters can kill, so enough left for the wolves?

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Catrose wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:21 pm
Yes, it’s an issue and there needs to be a better solution. The standard response to kill every wolf is jist not right either. The sheep farmers are so heavily subsidised that it does seem nuts - just buy them a few hundred more sheep every year?

Or how about reducing the amount of game that the hunters can kill, so enough left for the wolves?
Why not just authorise the farmers to be able to defend their flocks? Wolves are smart, they'll soon get the idea that attacking sheep isn't a good career move, just like they got the idea in the past that two-legged creatures have bang-sticks and should be given a wide berth.
Probably an extension of the wolf's instinctive wariness of bears as they stand on two legs sometimes, and they are also bad news for wolves.
The worrying thing is that now most two legged creatures (men) don't have bang-sticks so wolves will eventually get habituated to lose their fear of man.
Misguided conservation is always a bad idea.
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Not conservation, but respect for the natural world.

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Catrose wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:54 pm
Not conservation, but respect for the natural world.
Explain the difference please.
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Conservation tends to be an active programme of doing things to favour x or y. Respecting nature is about humans accepting that other species have a right to live on this planet too, and allowing them to do so. Obviously wolves and sheep are not a good mix, so yes need some intervention to manage the situation. And that can include culling wolves if population grows beyond a limit that should be sustainable from game, but not extermination.

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I know which I prefer between living somewhere with wolves, and somewhere with a human equivalent. But shows sheep farming is tough wherever you are.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... hefts-soar

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