Form 2047

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Re: Form 2047

Post by Aardvark » Tue May 01, 2018 3:30 pm

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I think you will find it is a mistake to abandon it now; you are not familiar with most of what you need to do and you will have probably forgotten it all by next year.
By next year it will probably be changed anyway.

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You have got so far and it sounds as though there is just one minor mistake. You would do better to try and correct that now and get to the end. You can then print/save as PDF all the online screen pages you have filled in to have a complete set of crib sheets for next year.
The only way I can get the final page to not have that "Discordances to check" message is to go back and delete the 2047 form completely, and not declare the foreign bank account. Much safer in my case to do it in paper and just copy what I did last year in the same boxes but with the new figures.
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Re: Form 2047

Post by DominicBest » Tue May 01, 2018 3:51 pm

elsie wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 2:14 pm
I think you will find it is a mistake to abandon it now; you are not familiar with most of what you need to do and you will have probably forgotten it all by next year.

You have got so far and it sounds as though there is just one minor mistake. You would do better to try and correct that now and get to the end. You can then print/save as PDF all the online screen pages you have filled in to have a complete set of crib sheets for next year.

Don't forget, you still have a couple of weeks or more to complete a paper copy, if you don't get to the end of the online forms. So plenty of time to have another try without needing to spend more time today.
Did you read my post? It’s not a mistake that Aardvark has made, it’s a bug in the system. He needs to ignore it not correct it.

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Re: Form 2047

Post by DominicBest » Tue May 01, 2018 3:52 pm

It took no longer to check the error than it would have taken for me to queue up and buy a stamp. The electronic version is great. I’m glad I use it, rifling through all that paper is really a pain.

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Re: Form 2047

Post by elsie » Tue May 01, 2018 5:12 pm

I do not see any reason for the forms to change next year (except perhaps in a minor way as happened last year). As I mentioned elsewhere, over 50% of French households submitted their tax return online last year so I doubt there is any reason to change the forms.

I got to the end of my online submission, to the point of signing off the declaration without any problems.

I couldn't see any difference in 2047 from last year to this year and I've just checked and the printed and online versions are just the same in layout and content. So there was no need for any programming changes.

Do you have 8TA (or 8TM) on form 2042 filled in? That is the line which refers to 2041E. There is no mention of 8TA on 2047 or carrying figures back to 8TA on 2042 from 2047. If there is something in one of those fie

I've just looked back at the 2015 year form 2047 and section 7 mentions putting the results in 8TA of 2042. The 2047 form changed for 2016 (and 2017) and the section 7 results go into 8VL/8VM instead. Are you just copying the fields you have used in past years without checking? It might have been missed if you declared on paper last year but the online system does extra checks. There do seem to have been several cases where people are declaring their pensions in the fields used before 2016 rather than the changed fields which appeared in the 2016 declaration.

I haven't seen any other reports on this or other forums of anyone having the same problem.

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Re: Form 2047

Post by Headers » Tue May 01, 2018 6:02 pm

I’ve had the same problem with that 2041 error. Tore my hair out. I ended up going to the tax office and the lady we saw said oh don’t worry about that. We signed it all off there and then.

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Re: Form 2047

Post by Aardvark » Tue May 01, 2018 6:48 pm

elsie wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 5:12 pm
"Do you have 8TA (or 8TM) on form 2042 filled in? That is the line which refers to 2041E. There is no mention of 8TA on 2047 or carrying figures back to 8TA on 2042 from 2047."
I haven't seen any of the references you mention on any of the pages that came up, ie. 8TA, 8TM, 8Vl, 8TK, or 8UU so don't know what to tick or untick. I will do as Headers did and get in to the tax office.
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Re: Form 2047

Post by rabbit » Wed May 02, 2018 9:21 am

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My head is about to burst. Who the hell said this would be easy..............
I filled in every thing I think I needed (boxes the same as last year's paper form) and even put in my UK bank account that they were told about a few years ago. On the last page I now see the following:
Discordances to check
You have indicated on the withholding tax declaration no. 2041E that you have worked all year round which is incompatible with the filing of a declaration of income received abroad (no. 2047). Please check.

I haven't even seen a form 2041E and haven't worked at all. I only have a UK state pension to declare. No savings account interest, shares, etc. Nothing so I would have thought doing the tax form would be easy. Silly me. This must be France. :?

Nearly had a heart attack. At first it said I owed €315,600 tax. Then I worked out they had included the last 76 cents as whole euros or something.
I had the same issue. I messaged the local Impots HQ and they informed me that it is a software error. How much time have we all wasted on this when a simple email could have been sent to everyone, or a note on the Website, or even better testing the software properly/ fixing the bug

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Re: Form 2047

Post by Aardvark » Wed May 02, 2018 10:54 am

"or even better testing the software properly/ fixing the bug"

If the high and mighty Microsoft can't manage to do that I don't hold out much hope for the tax office here. :roll:
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Re: Form 2047

Post by Tom » Wed May 02, 2018 12:03 pm

:) Always look on the bright side of life...

The people who work for les impôts are facing a large number of problems themselves, include a notable reduction in staff numbers, which is apparently adversely affecting their morale. They are also having to grapple with the introduction of PAYE (le prélèvement à la source) which means many have to or have had to attend training courses. They and the whole population are also having to come to terms with online declarations.

:D Amidst all this chaos and confusion, surely any minor mistakes that we make stand much less chance of attracting attention.
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