This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

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This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by After the Storm » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:18 pm



So clause 38 of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill creates a monster.
“This clause effectively creates a tory dictatorship across the UK.”

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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by Ally » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:30 pm

Yes. Most of us, I exclude myself and others of my ilk, have sleepwalked into it.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.

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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by jsks » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:03 am

Yup.

The government can award itself powers unopposed. Gives you a warm feeling inside unless you are Scottish, Welsh, Irish or have a functioning intellect.

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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by After the Storm » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:27 am

What I'd like to know was if, at the end of this, did anyone scream 'this must be stopped' ? Or did they all just sit there shaking their heads and shuffle their papers?
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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by Nifty » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:25 am

A pessimist sees a dark tunnel.
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The train driver sees three idiots standing on the track
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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by niemeyjt » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:45 am

I cannot see the original tweet and the points raised therein, but Clause 38 mentioned looks identical to Clause 36 in the earlier treaties - unless anyone can spot the differences I have missed - so as far as this is concerned it is nothing new.

Have a look and see if I have missed anything:

New Bill - p43 - https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/b ... 801016.pdf

Original Bill - p37 - https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/b ... /20007.pdf

As for JSKS point, doesn't Clause 37 (new bill) say that devolved powers are unaffected?

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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by jsks » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:56 am

The new clause renders the Government sovereign the effect of which is to render legal challenge futile. So if Westminster says then all are bound. As long as NI, Wales and Scotland are tied to Westminster they have no recourse should the UK government enact legislation that adversely affects them.

When these Brexit nutters cry freedom they have absolutely no idea what they mean.
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Post by niemeyjt » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:09 pm

My point is that it is not a new clause - at least not with regard to the previous Act - unless you can spot the difference.

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Re: This is both fascinating and significant re sovereignty

Post by SW31girl » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:00 pm

It was obvious that they would not tolerate any more interference after the prorogued fiasco.

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