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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Fitter » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:46 am

"An aircraft formerly known as the Max"

These pics purport to show a "new" type designation due to the bad smell hanging around the 737 MAX name at the moment - but ,
The European Union Aviation Safety Agency had been referring to the 737-8200 in documents such as its 2015 annual activity report, published in June 2016, almost a year before the first ever 737 Max delivery.
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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Plog » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:11 pm

Fitter wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:46 am
"An aircraft formerly known as the Max"

These pics purport to show a "new" type designation due to the bad smell hanging around the 737 MAX name at the moment - but ,
The European Union Aviation Safety Agency had been referring to the 737-8200 in documents such as its 2015 annual activity report, published in June 2016, almost a year before the first ever 737 Max delivery.
Yep, as you say the numeric designation hasn't just been dreamt up.

On the day the makers/designers start to create an aircraft it will have a official designation, such as a Boeing or Airbus XYZ-123 and it will be forever known as such in the official relevant manuals and certificates, perhaps with the -123 bit changing over the years as different variants come along and paperwork gets amended/updated.

It's the PR folks/media that then come up with some catchy name that sticks with the general public and that might get painted on the side but whether the staff will use them is another matter. I know plenty of people who fly the "seven eight"..I don't think any of them would be caught dead saying they flew a "Dreamliner"

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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Ally » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:37 pm

Ryanair will keep Max warnings to a minimum despite crashes.
This now undermines my confidence.
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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Fitter » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:04 am

The amazing fact that many people who slag off O'Leary and may people do slag him off, forget, is that despite that man being an ass*ole, Ryanair has never killed a passenger yet.
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Post by Ally » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:12 am

And I hope that never changes but when a company says it'll keep warnings to a minimum, in my my mind that says warnings are necessary. Not a confidence builder.
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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Spotty » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:25 am

Apparently the 8200 is the total still operational. Good times to be an aviation sign writer.

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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Nifty » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:05 am

The trick of renaming unsound a/c has been tried before


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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Plog » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:27 am

Nifty wrote:
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The trick of renaming unsound a/c has been tried before

Ah, IMHO that's a bit unfair on the F-104, which was actually a pretty sound aircraft. Any "unsoundness" lay in the Germans ( and Canadians with their CF-104s) believing Lockheed's sales pitch and as a result buying hundreds of high level supersonic interceptors and using them to rush around the North German plain, at low level, often in poor visibility, as ground attack aircraft - a role that it really really wasn't suited for. That sales pitch is the point of the youtube video..

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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Nifty » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:16 am

Not. A glitch, that’s all it takes


Just like Snake Oil, Palm Grease does a lot of stuff, ask Brant et al
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhee ... y_scandals

Is this the latest version
https://www.vox.com/business-and-financ ... -explained

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Re: Ryanair and the fall out of the sky 737max

Post by Plog » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:03 pm

Nifty wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:16 am
Not. A glitch, that’s all it takes
I'm still not sure what the "glitch" is in relation to the 104 story, "glitch" to me is slang for something going wrong technically and so I guess I'm taking issue with your comment upthread about the F-104 being "unsound" and, in the context of this thread, perhaps trying to make a comparison with the Max's problem. Fundamentally, and despite all the "lawn dart" jokes that used to go around crew rooms in the 70s and 80s the 104 really wasn't an "unsound a/c" from a technical/engineering POV, certainly by the standards of it's time.

However, yes, there was the well known (well, to many people) scandal regarding the way the 104 was sold by Lockheed to foreign operators and there may perhaps be another scandal down the road when we get to the full tale of 737-Max certification.

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