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Re: terrible notaire

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niemeyjt wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:47 am
What I mean is that the first signer can use DocuSign but the second signer cannot so instead gives a PoA.

If the second signer gives PoA to the first signer can the first signer use DocuSign only of their signature or of all signatures including that as attorney - indeed can DocuSign be used to sign by someone with PoA rather than the original signer?
Why can the second signer not sign if they can sign a PoA?

If the notaire has a copy of a PoA then I don’t see why not to answer your second question but we have only started having contracts signed this way since covid appeared so I can not say to you definitely yes as that situation has not arisen yet for us, They would have to give the person two codes, one for themselves to sign it and one to sign it for someone else with PoA having been put in place of course and it depends on the notaires and not all of them are set up to use this kind of option.
To answer your third question whether DocuSign can be used by someone with a PoA, the contract would be no different to signing it in front of a notaire using a PoA, all that is different is that it is being signed at a distance electronically.

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Thanks. The issue is the second signer has no passport, no computer, no internet etc.

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niemeyjt wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:56 am
Thanks. The issue is the second signer has no passport, no computer, no internet etc.
That's a toughie, not even a smart phone or access to a library? No idea where the second signer lives but do they have a driving license or ID card of some sort, those can be accepted where there is no passport or even an out of date of passport?

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After the Storm 2 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:02 pm
That's a toughie, not even a smart phone or access to a library? No idea where the second signer lives but do they have a driving license or ID card of some sort, those can be accepted where there is no passport or even an out of date of passport?
UK. No smart phone either. And only a paper driving licence, no photocard. And no passport!

For the initial signing of Acte de Succession, she used paper licence and a bill at a UK solicitor to countersign - which she will do again to give PoA.

From what you say, we can then use DocuSign - although the idiots in Swiss customs have now lost my car paperwork also so I shall have to make a visit to France after all.

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Good luck. Hope it all gets easily sorted for you.

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The Notaire we used to sell a house in the Summer accepted Docusign for the CdeV via the estate agent but insisted that we went to her office for the AdeV, we told her we were in the UK and at the time (mid August) we did not class it is as essential travel when there was an alternative, luckily we were already in France but did not see the need to travel into a busy city and go to an office when there was an alternative. A friend suggested that she wanted to see the whites of our eyes.
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You can’t sign the final act via Docusign but they should have given you the option of signing a PoA via Docusign for it to be signed on your behalf.

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