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Re: May

Post by bluebird » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:58 pm

Loup-garou wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:24 am
I have to say I am amused that Brexiteers and May say a vote is a vote and final when it comes to the referendum - Hammond even said it again at 8.25 UK time this morning. Yet May is happy to have "meaningful vote after vote" when it comes to her plan.
I think it was Cameron who stated that the result of the referendum, whether it be a majority result of remain or leave , that would be it. Simple.
I never really understood why a min majority of 75% or something along those lines wasn't implemented. That would have almost given Cameron the opportunity to follow through a manifesto pledge, risk free. Can only assume he was being harangued by the anti EU hardliners in the Tory party.

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Re: May

Post by Nifty » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:40 pm

After the Storm wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:20 am
Tom wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:02 am
If you ever shake hands with TM you'd better count your fingers afterwards.....
In a way that is rather reassuring because a devious PM is surely better than one who is buffeted by every storm. But for all her faults we should remember that May still holds her ace in the hole; namely Jeremy Corbyn.
I’d rather have one that recognised what honesty was.
Honesty has no place in politics.

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Re: May

Post by Rosiegirl » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am

May is between a rock and a hard place. Everything is divided and there is no consensus which commands a majority. I doubt that any PM in her position from her party would do any better.

Corbyn is not interested in the EU and is only angling for a GE.

It would not surprise me if her deal, or a tweaked version of it, passes because the ERG (who seem basically inept in their tactics and strategy) fear a long extension to Article 50, a People's Vote and the possibility of remain.

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Re: May

Post by alittlebitmorefrench » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:27 am

Pray Mays deal gets rejected.

Then Brexit will be finished.

Note...May's deal should not even be allowed to come back for a third vote.
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Re: May

Post by Aardvark » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:18 am

What p*sses me off is how much time gets wasted with all these "indicative" votes achieving nothing.
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Brexit [breg-zit, brek-sit] noun, The process where politicians and other lower life forms use democracy to perform the socio-economic destruction of a country.
see also Armageddon

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Re: May

Post by Loup-garou » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:30 am

bluebird wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:58 pm
I think it was Cameron who stated that the result of the referendum, whether it be a majority result of remain or leave , that would be it. Simple.
I never really understood why a min majority of 75% or something along those lines wasn't implemented. That would have almost given Cameron the opportunity to follow through a manifesto pledge, risk free. Can only assume he was being harangued by the anti EU hardliners in the Tory party.
I think the problem was that he was pi$$ poor or badly advised over referendums Bluebird. At the risk of waking the slumbering Ally, look how weak he was over the Scottish Independence vote. The question put, the perceived wisdom is that undecided/borderline people are more inclined to vote "yes". Also, he gave in to let 16 years olds vote. Perhaps badly advised, perhaps not listening or perhaps just stupid. He was definitely running scared.

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Re: May

Post by Tom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:31 pm

"I reiterate our support on a public vote -- not as a politically point-scoring, but as a realistic option to break the deadlock," Corbyn told the House of Commons.
:lol: And this was yesterday, immediately after he had instructed his own MPs to abstain from voting on the amendment to allow a public vote.
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Re: May

Post by Ally » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:39 pm

Opposition? Where?
Poor England. Are May and Corbyn really the best it has to offer?
Check out @JulieOwenMoylan’s Tweet:
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Re: May

Post by After the Storm » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:57 pm

Nifty wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:40 pm
After the Storm wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:20 am

I’d rather have one that recognised what honesty was.
Honesty has no place in politics.
“Those who desire to treat politics and morals separately will never understand anything of either.” Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

"When voters write off politicians as dishonest, anti-democratic movements thrive."
http://www.iwm.at/transit-online/is-hon ... -possible/

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Re: May

Post by misswoodentop » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:08 pm

Ally wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:39 pm
Opposition? Where?
Poor England. Are May and Corbyn really the best it has to offer?
Check out @JulieOwenMoylan’s Tweet:
Exactly - there is no opposition, or vinegar lil wouldn't have got this far.
Yet another politician saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite.
What happens now, when the subject comes up again, is that the nasties can justify themselves by declaring that the house voted overwhelmingly against a people's vote, thanks to the lying JC.

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