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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by Tom » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:03 pm

I think the problem is it can't just be leave or remain can it?
Yes it can and it should be a straight leave or remain vote because none of the various leave choices is settled.
If the leavers win again we could then all concentrate on finding the least worst Brexit deal.
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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by lindal1000 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:30 pm

Tom wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:03 pm
I think the problem is it can't just be leave or remain can it?
Yes it can and it should be a straight leave or remain vote because none of the various leave choices is settled.
If the leavers win again we could then all concentrate on finding the least worst Brexit deal.
That's what they've been trying to do for the past 2 years isn't it? Or did I miss something. Theresa May says her deal is the least worst one.

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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by jsks » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:33 pm

It's like somebody walking into a car showroom saying this BMW's rubbish because it's reliable and comfortable and economical so I want to change it for something slower, thirstier, less comfortable and more expensive. Thank you.
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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by Andy72 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:58 pm

Tom wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:03 pm
I think the problem is it can't just be leave or remain can it?
Yes it can and it should be a straight leave or remain vote because none of the various leave choices is settled.
If the leavers win again we could then all concentrate on finding the least worst Brexit deal.
Disagree. If they really want to leave under a no deal then so be it. I would give it less than 6 months before the noise to rejoin becomes deafening. Alternatively it could be the start of a process whereby the UK public starts to accept responsibility and educated itself about the real issues that will affect them in years to come.
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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by Le Démerdeur » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:28 pm

Tom wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:54 pm
Len McCluskey has just said that a second referendum would be a betrayal but how on earth can a people's vote be called a betrayal?

However, if public opinion has changed, surely it would be a flagrant denial of democracy to prevent people having another say. provided it was a straight choice between remain or leave, with no ifs or buts.
I have selectively editted you there Len.

What you are proposing above is exactly what happened 2 years ago other then a new frankly meaningless term "the peoples vote"

I understand peoples claims that the public did not know what they voted for, that they were too stupid, that they believed what they read in the Sun etc etc but after 2 years of reflection and education its an eye opener to me that those who have been the most vocal for a 2nd referendum are disagreeing with you, are they scared of the same result (which would rule out a best of three) or an immediate exit without agreement?

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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by vic evans » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:36 pm

"I have selectively editted you there Len."
Brilliant
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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by Reef » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:13 pm

jsks wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:33 pm
It's like somebody walking into a car showroom saying this BMW's rubbish because it's reliable and comfortable and economical so I want to change it for something slower, thirstier, less comfortable and more expensive. Thank you.
Don't you mean it is like walking into a VW showroom and the salesman say "We won't lie to you about how low our emissions are"?

I don't care how good some people think German cars are or whether we have Brexit or Remain, BUT I do not want the German's running either France or the UK by stealth.

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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by Ally » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:55 pm

YouGov poll following May's Deal or no deal ultimatum. I don't know the sample size or how the poll was conducted.
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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by Tom » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:05 pm

That's what they've been trying to do for the past 2 years isn't it? Or did I miss something.
The majority of remainers and many of the people who didn't vote the first time round were always hoping there would be a second referendum. Not many of them would have actively adopted any of the Brexit factions, leaving them to squabble amongst themselves. That internal struggle is what has wasted so much time. So in the very unlikely event that Brexiteers were to win yet again then all efforts could be concentrated on finding the best way forward outside the EU.
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Re: Brexit deal.

Post by jsks » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:06 pm

Reef wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:13 pm
... BUT I do not want the German's running either France or the UK by stealth.
If you'd lived in Germany for 11 years like I did you might not think it such a bad idea at all. Particularly seeing as the UK's ruling elite probably can't even tie their own shoelaces.
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