How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by alittlebitmorefrench » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:18 pm

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:52 pm
Why bored? As I say they have researched their market carefully and provide the service demanded in a well chose location. I’ve eaten there a couple of times and both times were with second home owners who wanted to go there. I’m sure that the Portuguese population in Tours is similarly served. I know from experience that there is a Portuguese language radio station there.
As an adult you have the right to avoid places that do not suit your tastes but you do not have the right to criticise others who make different choices.
The restaurant mentioned is not particularly local to me, the owners were my closest British neighbours for a short while before they moved into another department to a location that suited their business plan. I see them occasionally because they are good friends with one of my neighbours, the son of the local farmer who runs an agricultural contracting business. The extended French family and their friends are fans of the British restaurant.
Why is it the people who regularly claim that there is no choice or multiculturalism in France who try to be clever when choices exist?
I have not criticised.

The only 'brit' pub I have been into is in Alpe du Huez and it is like walking from France into the UK.

It is OK for the novelty factor and when you are in your twenties but after that it becomes weird and creepy.

You have British/Scottish/Irish themed pubs everywhere in France. But they tend to be very expensive and don't offer much.

Your friends only survive because there is a large British population. The question is, why do so many feel the need to go such a place ?


In terms of the Portuguese, most are born and bred in France.

You have Portuguese radio stations and Arabic stations. Nothing new there.

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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by mysty » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:39 pm

Plenty of Brits go to British restaurants to socialise, that might be a surprise to you some folks get out and about. :lol:

There is a French café at Ussel who have an English speaking afternoon every Wednesday. There are very few Brits there but it gives the students a chance to practise English.
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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by alittlebitmorefrench » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:18 pm

mysty wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:39 pm
Plenty of Brits go to British restaurants to socialise, that might be a surprise to you some folks get out and about. :lol:

There is a French café at Ussel who have an English speaking afternoon every Wednesday. There are very few Brits there but it gives the students a chance to practise English.
Yes of course.

BUT, you know more than the rest of us how hard it is to run a business in France...well I mean to make money.

I think about 50-100 (can't remember the exact figure) such businesses (gîtes, restaurants, B&B's) close down each day in France.

DB said that they have limited French clientle and the majority are Brits.

I am just wondering how this works. Are there are enough Brits in the area to support this pub ?

Even if the whole town is British, they would all have to frequent it quite a few times a week to make it viable.

Nope, the figures don't work for me.

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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by mysty » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:24 pm

alittlebitmorefrench wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:18 pm
mysty wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:39 pm
Plenty of Brits go to British restaurants to socialise, that might be a surprise to you some folks get out and about. :lol:

There is a French café at Ussel who have an English speaking afternoon every Wednesday. There are very few Brits there but it gives the students a chance to practise English.
Yes of course.

BUT, you know more than the rest of us how hard it is to run a business in France...well I mean to make money.

I think about 50-100 (can't remember the exact figure) such businesses (gîtes, restaurants, B&B's) close down each day in France.

DB said that they have limited French clientle and the majority are Brits.

I am just wondering how this works. Are there are enough Brits in the area to support this pub ?

Even if the whole town is British, they would all have to frequent it quite a few times a week to make it viable.

Nope, the figures don't work for me.
Some people can make a go of a business, not everyone fails. Its not easy making money in France but its not impossible.
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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by PatF » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:33 pm

The Austins could be doing well now, as far as I know.
They hadn't abandonned the idea when we left.
Another problem for them would be a competitor from Holland a few km north who had a busy bar/ restaurant/ hotel with extras. Don't ask :oops:

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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by DominicBest » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:39 pm

alittlebitmorefrench wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:18 pm
mysty wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:39 pm
Plenty of Brits go to British restaurants to socialise, that might be a surprise to you some folks get out and about. :lol:

There is a French café at Ussel who have an English speaking afternoon every Wednesday. There are very few Brits there but it gives the students a chance to practise English.
Yes of course.

BUT, you know more than the rest of us how hard it is to run a business in France...well I mean to make money.

I think about 50-100 (can't remember the exact figure) such businesses (gîtes, restaurants, B&B's) close down each day in France.

DB said that they have limited French clientle and the majority are Brits.

I am just wondering how this works. Are there are enough Brits in the area to support this pub ?

Even if the whole town is British, they would all have to frequent it quite a few times a week to make it viable.

Nope, the figures don't work for me.
What you might not understand is that this restaurant is not in a town, it’s located conveniently for four reasonably sized towns but is actually in the countryside. The couple who run it, there last business was on the Welsh border, a similar rural location, and before that it was a restaurant in the West End, are professionals in their 50s with a lifetime’s experience of running their own pubs and restaurants. They spent almost a year in France doing ‘market’ research before deciding on the location that suited their requirements. They actually bought a going concern and since opening have slowly brought their own feel to the place.
It’s a shame that you have to be so negative about a viable business but I suppose that it shows that, once again, you really don’t have a clue.

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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by Le Démerdeur » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:49 pm

PatF wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:33 pm
Another problem for them would be a competitor from Holland a few km north who had a busy bar/ restaurant/ hotel with extras. Don't ask :oops:
It was the "extras" that kept my place afloat since its inception as well as all the other commerces (fronts) that once flourished all along the line of buildings.

The extras carried on after the abolition of Maisons Closes in 1948 right until its demise in the late 70's or early 80's nobody can be sure of the exact date.

Judging by the current clientele not a lot has changed other than its now a BYO establishment ;)

If someone did that in the past they would have been charged corkage :lol:

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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by FrenchForumSurvivor » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:54 pm

alittlebitmorefrench wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:18 pm
DB said that they have limited French clientle and the majority are Brits.
No, he didn't say that. What he said was, "Most of their custom comes from the local British residents but they have also established a large regular French group as well." Not quite the same.
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Re: How about running your own Bar resturaunt in France

Post by alittlebitmorefrench » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:09 pm

DominicBest wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:39 pm
alittlebitmorefrench wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:18 pm
mysty wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:39 pm
Plenty of Brits go to British restaurants to socialise, that might be a surprise to you some folks get out and about. :lol:

There is a French café at Ussel who have an English speaking afternoon every Wednesday. There are very few Brits there but it gives the students a chance to practise English.
Yes of course.

BUT, you know more than the rest of us how hard it is to run a business in France...well I mean to make money.

I think about 50-100 (can't remember the exact figure) such businesses (gîtes, restaurants, B&B's) close down each day in France.

DB said that they have limited French clientle and the majority are Brits.

I am just wondering how this works. Are there are enough Brits in the area to support this pub ?

Even if the whole town is British, they would all have to frequent it quite a few times a week to make it viable.

Nope, the figures don't work for me.
What you might not understand is that this restaurant is not in a town, it’s located conveniently for four reasonably sized towns but is actually in the countryside. The couple who run it, there last business was on the Welsh border, a similar rural location, and before that it was a restaurant in the West End, are professionals in their 50s with a lifetime’s experience of running their own pubs and restaurants. They spent almost a year in France doing ‘market’ research before deciding on the location that suited their requirements. They actually bought a going concern and since opening have slowly brought their own feel to the place.
It’s a shame that you have to be so negative about a viable business but I suppose that it shows that, once again, you really don’t have a clue.
DB...I'm not bothered.

Just saying, the stats are not in their favour.

Wish them all the luck.

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